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They make all the mess in the country my friends. Literally every problem this nation has can be found, if researched, and traced back to the masons at some point. they are in the government working for other reasons which are not for the USA and its intrests. The actions of the masons in the US government are treasonous. PERIOD. It is a lie and scheme to enslave you. It has nothing to do with the founding fathers. LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!
This will lead to world war.
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I know this will fall on deaf ears but in the real world:
The declaration of Independence and the Constitution including the Bill of Rights reads like a Masonic handbook.
The enlightenment era that brought about the American Revolution comes to you from some prominent Freemasons and other enlightened thinkers.
Now I am NOT saying that the government is setup or run by Freemasons, far from it. But the ideals espoused by Freemasons in colonial America are very close to what the founders came up with.
It's even in the Unanimous Declaration of Independence "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...
Ideas like Freedom of speech, freedom of religious worship, the right to vote and one man one vote. The idea of equality and government 'of the people'.
As someone else said George Washington was a Freemason, so was Ben Franklin and a number of other founding fathers.
You obviously don't know what Freemasonry is so I will school you.
To explore the organization that some (very few, actually) so vehemently protest, we must first explain what Masonry IS! Here are some key points:
Freemasonry is the world's oldest and largest Fraternity. While its traditions look back to earliest history, Masonry in its current form appeared when its public events were noticed by the residents of London, England in 1717. Since that time, there have been tens of thousands of books published about this 'secret organization'. And for over three hundred years, despite the good works done by its members, Freemasonry has continually suffered the slings and arrows of those who seek to use it's quiet nature against it.
Freemasonry's singular purpose is to make good men better and its bonds of friendship, compassion and brotherly love have survived even the most divisive political, military and religious conflicts through the centuries. Freemasonry is neither a forum nor a place of worship. It is not a religion nor does it teach a religious philosophy. For nearly three hundred years it has attracted men of high moral character who support the tenets of temperance, fortitude, prudence and justice.
Today, the more than four million Freemasons around the world come from virtually every occupation and profession. Within the Fraternity, however, all meet as equals. In fact, one of the most fascinating aspects of Freemasonry (and an obvious source of irritation for those who thrive on the seeds of discontent) has always been: how can so many men, from so many different walks of life, meet together in peace, ignoring political or religious debates, to conduct their affairs in harmony and friendship and to call each other "Brother!" It's truly a conundrum which perplexes those outside the fraternity. Laying aside petty jealousies and agreeing that issues of politics and religion are not proper for discussion within a lodge, the 'bones of contention' that so often divide are removed thereby making it possible for men of varying religious and political interests to meet on common ground.
Freemasons are taught to conform to the moral laws of society and to abide by the laws of the government under which they live. They are men of charity and good works and they engage in charitable works which have made them "the World's greatest philanthropy!" Their services to mankind represent an unparalleled example of the humanitarian commitment and concern of this unique and honorable Fraternity.
I know this will fall on deaf ears but in the real world:
The declaration of Independence and the Constitution including the Bill of Rights reads like a Masonic handbook.
The enlightenment era that brought about the American Revolution comes to you from some prominent Freemasons and other enlightened thinkers.
Now I am NOT saying that the government is setup or run by Freemasons, far from it. But the ideals espoused by Freemasons in colonial America are very close to what the founders came up with.
It's even in the Unanimous Declaration of Independence "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...
Ideas like Freedom of speech, freedom of religious worship, the right to vote and one man one vote. The idea of equality and government 'of the people'.
As someone else said George Washington was a Freemason, so was Ben Franklin and a number of other founding fathers.
You obviously don't know what Freemasonry is so I will school you.
To explore the organization that some (very few, actually) so vehemently protest, we must first explain what Masonry IS! Here are some key points:
Freemasonry is the world's oldest and largest Fraternity. While its traditions look back to earliest history, Masonry in its current form appeared when its public events were noticed by the residents of London, England in 1717. Since that time, there have been tens of thousands of books published about this 'secret organization'. And for over three hundred years, despite the good works done by its members, Freemasonry has continually suffered the slings and arrows of those who seek to use it's quiet nature against it.
Freemasonry's singular purpose is to make good men better and its bonds of friendship, compassion and brotherly love have survived even the most divisive political, military and religious conflicts through the centuries. Freemasonry is neither a forum nor a place of worship. It is not a religion nor does it teach a religious philosophy. For nearly three hundred years it has attracted men of high moral character who support the tenets of temperance, fortitude, prudence and justice.
Today, the more than four million Freemasons around the world come from virtually every occupation and profession. Within the Fraternity, however, all meet as equals. In fact, one of the most fascinating aspects of Freemasonry (and an obvious source of irritation for those who thrive on the seeds of discontent) has always been: how can so many men, from so many different walks of life, meet together in peace, ignoring political or religious debates, to conduct their affairs in harmony and friendship and to call each other "Brother!" It's truly a conundrum which perplexes those outside the fraternity. Laying aside petty jealousies and agreeing that issues of politics and religion are not proper for discussion within a lodge, the 'bones of contention' that so often divide are removed thereby making it possible for men of varying religious and political interests to meet on common ground.
Freemasons are taught to conform to the moral laws of society and to abide by the laws of the government under which they live. They are men of charity and good works and they engage in charitable works which have made them "the World's greatest philanthropy!" Their services to mankind represent an unparalleled example of the humanitarian commitment and concern of this unique and honorable Fraternity.
What is the title of my belief system?
Serge D
A little background; in recent months i've under gone a complete change in the way i view my world. religion or faith was never something i was pressured into believing, the search came from within me. this change was mostly the product of my research into the world's religions, eastern philosophy, modern western philosophy, physics, mathematics, neuroscience, and meditation. as well as the works of desecrates, plato, and william james. i've always been completely faithful in science as the holder of the answers-or at least at the forefront of finding them. this changed after i took some science courses. it seems that as people we're a lot better at using science to manipulate matter than using it to find answers. and some very fundamental flaws, such as not being able to prove the existence of matter, makes me feel that putting all of your faith into science is the same as believing that there is a man that watches us from above.
my faith is not based on any religious institution's teachings, so i'm having trouble labeling myself. i feel that if there is any truth to religion, one does not need to pledge allegiance to an organization to practice. i feel like it is something that comes from within.
i feel like god is an entity that created the cosmos for the sake of experience. this god is everything around us, including ourselves and our minds(god is what exploded in the big bang) i think that everything on the physical plain is a sort of experience generator that creates everything we perceive, including our bodies. and our minds, on the metaphysical plain, are an extension of this 'allness's' conscience that is simply diluted and disconnect for the sake of cultivating experience. our bodies are vessels that enable us to manipulate the physical realm, they aren't more than biological machines-not actually us. in this sense i'm a dualist. i also think that we're constatly evolving on the metaphysical plane via experience. with each new life our spirit evolves to the next higher state. for example; we start as bacteria or plants and evolve higher and higher through the level of person, planet, star, galaxy, and eventually reunite with this allness. i guess that's what they call heaven. i think polytheism is just the worship of more experienced souls (stars, earth, sun, etc). in fact if you actually take time to study Christianity and it's relation to the prior religions, it's quite obvious that christ isn't more than a metaphor for our sun.
i'm sorry if this isn't 100% clear, i feel like i can right a book if i tried to explain every detail. i'm not looking to get into a religious debate with anyone but if you could attempt to label i would really appreciate it. thanks.
gary: i guess you didn't understand some things. 1- you can't call me confused because we're all just as confused as the next. and like i said, religion isn't something that i feel needs to be taught- that would defy the concept IMO. but i like the replies so far, thanks guys.
Norman; i think we're exact opposites. i think you've had some faith shoved down your throat as a child and grew up to realize it's a bit silly. i on the other hand have never had any sort of religious faith shoved down my throat, rather understood science to be the closest thing to truth. now that i understand our physical sciences, i can tell you that there is much faith in science- something most seem to overlook. it's also apparent to me the reason why science and religion can't seem to get along. science attempts to describe the physical while religion attempts to describe the metaphysical. we've (scientists) yet to come up with a system that measures the metaphysical(the part of our realities that religion and philosophy deals with). IMHO the two will some day merge. a good example of this is the work of rick strassman and his theorized link between neurochemisty and mystical states. i understand i'm very easy to judge since we don't all share the same views, but please try not t
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I would lean more towards pantheist.
"While All is in THE ALL, it is equally true that THE ALL is in ALL. To him who truly understands this truth hath come great knowledge." -- The Kybalion
The Hermetic Teachings are to the effect that THE ALL is Imminent in ("remaining within; inherent; abiding within") its Universe, and in every part, particle, unit, or combination, within the Universe. This statement is usually illustrated by the Teachers by a reference to the Principle of Correspondence. The Teacher instructs the student to form a Mental Image of something, a person, an idea, something having a mental form, the favorite example being that of the author or dramatist forming an idea of his characters; or a painter or sculptor forming an image of an ideal that he wishes to express by his art. In each case, the student will find that while the image has its existence, and being, solely within his own mind, yet he, the student, author, dramatist, painter, or sculptor, is, in a sense, immanent in; remaining within; or abiding within, the mental image also. In other words, the entire virtue, life, spirit, of reality in the mental image is derived from the 'immanent mind" of the thinker. Consider this for a moment, until the idea is grasped.
To take a modern example, let us say that Othello, Iago, Hamlet, Lear, Richard III, existed merely in the mind of Shakespeare, at the time of their conception or creation. And yet, Shakespeare also existed within each of these characters, giving them their vitality, spirit, and action. Whose is the "spirit" of the characters that we know as Micawber, Oliver Twist, Uriah Heep-- is it Dickens, or have each of these characters a personal spirit, independent of their creator? Have the Venus of Medici, the Sistine Madonna, the Appollo Belvidere, spirits and reality of their own, or do they represent the spiritual and mental power of their creators? The Law of Paradox explains that both propositions are true, viewed from the proper viewpoints. Micawber is both Micawber, and yet Dickens. And, again, while Micawber may be said to be Dickens, yet Dickens is not identical with Micawber. Man, like Micawber, may exclaim: 'The Spirit of my Creator is inherent within me --and yet I: am not HE!" How different this from the shocking half-truth so vociferously announced by certain of the half wise, who fill the air with their raucous cries of: "I am God!" Imagine poor Micawber, or the sneaky Uriah Heep, crying: "I Am Dickens"; or some of the lowly clods in one of Shakespeare's plays, eloquently announcing that: I Am Shakespeare !" THE ALL is in the earthworm, and yet the earthworm is far from being THE ALL. And still the wonder remains, that though the earthworm exists merely as a lowly thing, created and having its being solely within the Mind of THE ALL--yet THE ALL is immanent in the earthworm, and in the particles that go to make up the earthworm. Can there be any greater mystery than this of "All in THE ALL; and THE ALL in All?"
I would lean more towards pantheist.
"While All is in THE ALL, it is equally true that THE ALL is in ALL. To him who truly understands this truth hath come great knowledge." -- The Kybalion
The Hermetic Teachings are to the effect that THE ALL is Imminent in ("remaining within; inherent; abiding within") its Universe, and in every part, particle, unit, or combination, within the Universe. This statement is usually illustrated by the Teachers by a reference to the Principle of Correspondence. The Teacher instructs the student to form a Mental Image of something, a person, an idea, something having a mental form, the favorite example being that of the author or dramatist forming an idea of his characters; or a painter or sculptor forming an image of an ideal that he wishes to express by his art. In each case, the student will find that while the image has its existence, and being, solely within his own mind, yet he, the student, author, dramatist, painter, or sculptor, is, in a sense, immanent in; remaining within; or abiding within, the mental image also. In other words, the entire virtue, life, spirit, of reality in the mental image is derived from the 'immanent mind" of the thinker. Consider this for a moment, until the idea is grasped.
To take a modern example, let us say that Othello, Iago, Hamlet, Lear, Richard III, existed merely in the mind of Shakespeare, at the time of their conception or creation. And yet, Shakespeare also existed within each of these characters, giving them their vitality, spirit, and action. Whose is the "spirit" of the characters that we know as Micawber, Oliver Twist, Uriah Heep-- is it Dickens, or have each of these characters a personal spirit, independent of their creator? Have the Venus of Medici, the Sistine Madonna, the Appollo Belvidere, spirits and reality of their own, or do they represent the spiritual and mental power of their creators? The Law of Paradox explains that both propositions are true, viewed from the proper viewpoints. Micawber is both Micawber, and yet Dickens. And, again, while Micawber may be said to be Dickens, yet Dickens is not identical with Micawber. Man, like Micawber, may exclaim: 'The Spirit of my Creator is inherent within me --and yet I: am not HE!" How different this from the shocking half-truth so vociferously announced by certain of the half wise, who fill the air with their raucous cries of: "I am God!" Imagine poor Micawber, or the sneaky Uriah Heep, crying: "I Am Dickens"; or some of the lowly clods in one of Shakespeare's plays, eloquently announcing that: I Am Shakespeare !" THE ALL is in the earthworm, and yet the earthworm is far from being THE ALL. And still the wonder remains, that though the earthworm exists merely as a lowly thing, created and having its being solely within the Mind of THE ALL--yet THE ALL is immanent in the earthworm, and in the particles that go to make up the earthworm. Can there be any greater mystery than this of "All in THE ALL; and THE ALL in All?"
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